Weird main screen issue top half blanks out.

[Evil1986genius]

Any one ever run into this issue? Every now and then the top half of the main screen blanks out when switching Preset/Scenes for my Axe FX3 uselly selecting or switching to another or the same preset/scenes it comes back. Some times on boot up the screen will boot fine until the Axe FX is Finshed booting up then top half blanks out. Again switching via the Axe Fx or GT to another, or selecting the same preset/scene it it uselly comes back. Power is being supplied by a BTPA phantom power 5pin to 7 pin whip using the factory power supply. The midi is wired GT10>Axe FX 3>ADA MP-1>3TM Modded MP-1>GT10. All functions like tuner the tuner and staying in sync works and grabbing Preset names work with out issues.

 

[Mario]

My understanding is that the bi-directional MIDI connection between the GT and Axe should be direct. From your description, it sounds like the MIDI returning to the GT is coming from the MP-1, which is were I assume the problem lays.

In an ideal world, MIDI from the GT would be split using something like our MultiBox which allows direct bi-directional MIDI between the GT and Axe, as well as sending MIDI to other devices.

 

[rjmmusic]

Agreed on the above, you can also try connecting the Axe-Fx's MIDI in and out directly to the GT and use the Axe-Fx's MIDI thru to connect to the rest of the devices

 

[Evil1986genius]

I’ll try direct contacting the Axe FX to the GT bypassing my two ADA MP-1. I did notice if I unplugged the return midi cable from the GT it doesn’t happen but then of course I loose sync states and the tuner. Also how would I program the GT to control the MP-1 on scene changes then as each scene in a Axe Fx preset is a different ADA Preset and I was using the Axe FX midi block to change ADA presets. Example GT/Axe FX preset 3TM Tube Clean has 8 Scenes and each of those scenes is a different Tube Clean preset in my 3TM MP-1. So in Preset #14 3TM Tube clean on the GT/Axe Fx I select sence 1 Rhythm which in turns pulls up the 3TM ADA preset 22 Tube Clean Rhythm if I select scene 3 lead it pulls up Preset 24 Tube clean Lead on the 3TM ADA. So in essence a scene is just a Preset in ether my Stock or Modded ADA MP-1 and the GT/Axe FX preset just is a way to organize all my ADA presets.

 

[Sleestak]

In an ideal world, MIDI from the GT would be split using something like our MultiBox which allows direct bi-directional MIDI between the GT and Axe, as well as sending MIDI to other devices.

+1 for the MultiBox.

 

[Mario]

I’ll try direct contacting the Axe FX to the GT bypassing my two ADA MP-1. I did notice if I unplugged the return midi cable from the GT it doesn’t happen but then of course I loose sync states and the tuner. Also how would I program the GT to control the MP-1 on scene changes then as each scene in a Axe Fx preset is a different ADA Preset and I was using the Axe FX midi block to change ADA presets. Example GT/Axe FX preset 3TM Tube Clean has 8 Scenes and each of those scenes is a different Tube Clean preset in my 3TM MP-1. So in Preset #14 3TM Tube clean on the GT/Axe Fx I select sence 1 Rhythm which in turns pulls up the 3TM ADA preset 22 Tube Clean Rhythm if I select scene 3 lead it pulls up Preset 24 Tube clean Lead on the 3TM ADA. So in essence a scene is just a Preset in ether my Stock or Modded ADA MP-1 and the GT/Axe FX preset just is a way to organize all my ADA presets.

The GT is more than capable of controlling all of your gear. We don't have the ADA MP-1 in our devices database so you will have to use the Generic CC/PC Device.

 

[Evil1986genius]

The GT is more than capable of controlling all of your gear. We don't have the ADA MP-1 in our devices database so you will have to use the Generic CC/PC Device.

That's why i chose the Mastermind GT over the FC12, i just don't know how to program the GT to send a PC message on a Scene change when i change scenes via the Scene Menu. That's why I've been using the Midi Block in the Axe FX to send PC messages to my two ADA MP-1 on scene change. Any one have any suggestions or tips to program the GT to send PC messages on Scene changes?

 

[Evil1986genius]

It seems I've fixed the issue. Not sure what the cause was but remembered i had updated both devices and editors for both devices this weekend and updated some presets didn't have this issue before. So i went tru and reset all the midi channels and Midi/Sysex settings on all devices and did a rescan of all Presets and Scenes and went tru all my PC messages and on both the GT & Axe FX and changed them to the new channels i set and that seemed to fix it. So something got changed/messed up when was updating and programing the devices and editors.

Still would love advice on how to program the GT to send PC messages to the ADA on scene change so i can buy a Multi box and move to using a single midi cable from the rack to the GT instead of using two cables. Currently i have the GT & Axe Fx mapped 1 to 1 for presets and i select Presets and scenes via the GT preset and scene menus and i have a local page for each preset to toggle FX blocks, Tuner and set Tap Tempo. On scene change the Axe Fx Midi block sends a PC to one of the two ADA MP-1 to change to the ADA preset i have programed to that scene.

 

[Sleestak]

Still would love advice on how to program the GT to send PC messages to the ADA on scene change so i can buy a Multi box and move to using a single midi cable from the rack to the GT instead of using two cables.

Longtime MMGT and AxeFX user here. I'll offer my $0.02 on your rig - which sounds pretty awesome by the way!

MIDI Communication
For MIDI communication between MMGT and AxeFX, as you noted, you can use a pair of conventional 5 pin MIDI cables, or a get the MultiBox and use a single 7 pin MIDI cable. The MultiBox will allow you to have additional MIDI OUT ports for your MP-1 devices.

Programming and Management
I strongly prefer to use the MMGT as the single source of MIDI commands for all devices. As much as it's handy to have the MIDI block in the AxeFX, it's easier to view / manage all of the commands in a single editor, and the MMGT editor is ideal for this.
Here is how I like to set up the MMGT / AxeFX ecosystem:
(1) Remember that on preset load, you can send MIDI PC and CC commands to your devices
(2) All MMGT presets have a local page
(3) The buttons on the MMGT local page are programmed to send some combination of MIDI PC and MIDI CC commands, to control AxeFX presets / scenes, AxeFX effect block setting (channels / bypass / continuous controller setting), plus MIDI commands to control other devices. As noted above, you'll need to create your own MIDI library for the ADA devices, but again this is why I recommend doing to in the MMGT Editor. Program each MMGT local page button to send the appropriate commands to each of the devices.
In the example you outlined, I would just have the MMGT send AxeFX scene change commands, and at the same time, send a PC command to the MP-1 devices.

When I'm building a rig (for myself or a client) I start with a spreadsheet, defining the actions of the buttons on an MMGT per-song basis. Sometimes we need just an IA (effect on / off) state, and sometimes it's pretty complex where we are simultaneously changing to a different AxeFX preset / scene, changing the bypass state or channel of a block, sending a CC command as a virtual expression controller, and so on.

All of the commands originate from the MMGT and everything else in the system receives those commands via MIDI. The AxeFX sends back sysex for things like tap tempo blinking and the tuner. But otherwise I treat the MMGT as the central nervous system of the rig. It makes programming and troubleshooting much easier.

 

[Mario]

@Sleestak huge thanks for chiming in and I'm the same page as you, cheers!!

 

[Evil1986genius]

Longtime MMGT and AxeFX user here. I'll offer my $0.02 on your rig - which sounds pretty awesome by the way!

Thank you!!! for your tips and suggesting's. Here is the rig we've been talking about: Axe Fx 3 for Pre & Post FX and a IR on output one for Silent practice via headphones and Recording direct. Output two to the Marshall 9100 power amp driving two ADA split stack cabs. Axe fx Send 3 into a Radial ShotGun to split the signal to a Stock ADA Mp-1 into Axe fx Input 2 for the classic 80s ADA tones and a 3 tube mod ADA Mp-1 into Axe fx input 3 for more gain on and a different flavor on the tube channels then a stock one, so in essence 5 different Channels/Voicings. Have a ADA Mq-1 which is a digitally controlled midi stereo 14 band Analog eq with the left channel in the fx loop of the Stock ADA and the right channel in the fx loop of the 3TM ADA. The Mq-1 is for fine tuning & Further shaping my tone/sound on some of my ADA presets where i need a bit more control the the regular Bass/Mid/Treble settings of the MP-1 offer. Soon ill be adding a RJM Multi box and finishing the pass tru to clean things up and to easily throw a amp, pedal board or other fx unit into Axe fx loop 4.

After research and reading more on controlling the Axe FX and other Midi devices i just learned about the Get Preset Names with Scenes and Create Songs option. This seems to work with how i want to control my rack so now the ADA gear has been moved to the Axe Fx midi tru and the in/out of the axe are direct to the In/out on the GT. Ive just started messing with it and programing it in this way and have a system i seem to like where Page 1 has 8 Preset buttons (scnes) and a IA for Tuner and the last button for the Song Menu wich selects my Axe Presets and when i do that it automaticly goes back to Page 1 or Local Page. When i select a GT preset/Axe Scene the GT sends a defined PC message to my ADA gear like the Axe Midi block used to do. Local preset Page is for Bypassing and changing channels of the 7 Axe Fx effect blocks i use, with a Tuner button and hold to bypass the Axe Fx outputs to mute the rig, Tap temp button and hold for turning on the Axe FX Metronome last button pulls up the Page 1 for my GT presets/Axe Fx scenes and the hold for the GT song/Axe Fx preset Menu.

 

[Sleestak]

Thank you!!! for your tips and suggesting's. Here is the rig we've been talking about: Axe Fx 3 for Pre & Post FX and a IR on output one for Silent practice via headphones and Recording direct. Output two to the Marshall 9100 power amp driving two ADA split stack cabs. Axe fx Send 3 into a Radial ShotGun to split the signal to a Stock ADA Mp-1 into Axe fx Input 2 for the classic 80s ADA tones and a 3 tube mod ADA Mp-1 into Axe fx input 3 for more gain on and a different flavor on the tube channels then a stock one, so in essence 5 different Channels/Voicings. Have a ADA Mq-1 which is a digitally controlled midi stereo 14 band Analog eq with the left channel in the fx loop of the Stock ADA and the right channel in the fx loop of the 3TM ADA. The Mq-1 is for fine tuning & Further shaping my tone/sound on some of my ADA presets where i need a bit more control the the regular Bass/Mid/Treble settings of the MP-1 offer. Soon ill be adding a RJM Multi box and finishing the pass tru to clean things up and to easily throw a amp, pedal board or other fx unit into Axe fx loop 4.

After research and reading more on controlling the Axe FX and other Midi devices i just learned about the Get Preset Names with Scenes and Create Songs option. This seems to work with how i want to control my rack so now the ADA gear has been moved to the Axe Fx midi tru and the in/out of the axe are direct to the In/out on the GT. Ive just started messing with it and programing it in this way and have a system i seem to like where Page 1 has 8 Preset buttons (scnes) and a IA for Tuner and the last button for the Song Menu wich selects my Axe Presets and when i do that it automaticly goes back to Page 1 or Local Page. When i select a GT preset/Axe Scene the GT sends a defined PC message to my ADA gear like the Axe Midi block used to do. Local preset Page is for Bypassing and changing channels of the 7 Axe Fx effect blocks i use, with a Tuner button and hold to bypass the Axe Fx outputs to mute the rig, Tap temp button and hold for turning on the Axe FX Metronome last button pulls up the Page 1 for my GT presets/Axe Fx scenes and the hold for the GT song/Axe Fx preset Menu.

That is a fantastic setup!