Weird routing question

[go2ldook]

I am getting a Cole Clark hybrid guitar which has dual outputs: one for the acoustic pickup, one for the electric. Ideally they go to separate amps. Not going to happen with my pedalboard. My PBC out goes to a Looper then to a JDX DirectDrive cab emulator then to the PA.

The guitar can switch from acoustic to electric or combine the outputs. That combination option differs from the Fender Acoustasonics where you only have one output and you choose either your acoustic or your electric pickups, not both simultaneously.

The simplest setup would be using it like my Acoustasonic. Run a double TS to TS Y cable into the PBC from the 2 guitar outputs, and use it as acoustic or electric, but not combined. My understanding is that combining the pickups like that with a Y cable would cause impedance issues and volume loss.

I could use an ABY mixing pedal like the BOSS Line selector to correct that and effectively combine the signals without volume loss. Now I am closure to realizing the full potential of this guitar. The one issue there would be that both guitars sounds go through the whole PBC loop chain, including any overdrives.

So the question is, could I run the electric through the In 1-4, and on the In 7-10 combine the Acoustic with the Out 5-6 signal using a Double TS to TS Y cable, so the acoustic only goes through the 7-10 loops for Mod/Delay/Reverb, or would that create problems, assuming I am still using that BOSS Line selector to correct impedance issues?

Crazy setup, but trying to wrap my brain around it.

 

[Mario]

So the question is, could I run the electric through the In 1-4, and on the In 7-10 combine the Acoustic with the Out 5-6 signal using a Double TS to TS Y cable, so the acoustic only goes through the 7-10 loops for Mod/Delay/Reverb, or would that create problems, assuming I am still using that BOSS Line selector to correct impedance issues?

Yes you can. You could plug electric to IN1-4 and acoustic to IN5-6. Then use a dual TS-to-TRS to connect OUT1-4 and OUT5-6 to IN7-10, which is TRS stereo capable. That would give you 4 loops for electric and 2 loops for acoustic, and then 4 stereo (or dual mono) loops, going to two amps or destinations.

You could also just just loops 1 to 6 for electric and then feed OUT5-6 and the acoustic to IN7-10 with the same dual TS-to-TRS type cable/connection.

 

[go2ldook]

Yes you can. You could plug electric to IN1-4 and acoustic to IN5-6. Then use a dual TS-to-TRS to connect OUT1-4 and OUT5-6 to IN7-10, which is TRS stereo capable. That would give you 4 loops for electric and 2 loops for acoustic, and then 4 stereo (or dual mono) loops, going to two amps or destinations.

You could also just just loops 1 to 6 for electric and then feed OUT5-6 and the acoustic to IN7-10 with the same dual TS-to-TRS type cable/connection.

Thanks for the reply...sorry, I kind of have this question also in another thread you replied to about MIDI capable ABY pedals, so no need for you to double up replies!

Yes, I read the pinned thread about different stereo setups for the PBC this afternoon, so was considering this. I have always run mono. I would choose the 2nd option as 7-10 on my board are EQ followed by stereo Strymon Mobius/Timeline/BigSky pedals. The one caveat is I need to sum back to mono the send the output of both the electric and acoustic into my looper from the PBC. Would the PBC Stereo/Mono output button being pressed IN sum the stereo outputs back to a mono signal from the A output, or would I just have to use a double TS to single TS Y cable?

 

[go2ldook]

I am attaching my diagram to this thread. This is the proposed set up. Note that currently this setup works with a standard electric guitar, splitting the signals with the AB Cadabra so that I can either have electric guitar, a bass guitar signal, or a combination of the two. This works quite effectively so I can lay down bass loops and then play over them with the electric or even combine the two when appropriate (Think the verses for Suck My Kiss where guitar riff and bass riff are the same).

Currently I use also this with my Fender acoustasonic guitar, it just plugs in through the same pathway of the electric guitar. The Cole Clark throws in a curveball as the electric and acoustic signals come out of different jacks. This ends up requiring a buffered ABY type splitter, but also presents the option of playing electric and acoustic concurrently, hence the idea of inserting the acoustic signal later in the Mastermind chain. Because of the need for the guitar signals to all go into the same channel of the Looper, the output from The Mastermind needs to be mono.

 

[go2ldook]

One correction on the diagram: the electric guitar signal does not go through the ABY straight from the instrument. It goes into the Mastermind 1-4 input. When Loop 1 is engaged the signal then goes into the input of the ABY. From there the Switcher either sends it through the bass processing alone, or it sends A+B with the other signal returning for guitar processing via the Loop Return if I want bass and guitar simultaneously.

This actually explains why I get no volume loss, as I am using it like a Switcher is usually used, essentially as if to 2 different amps. Has been a while since I set this up and it is so complicated it is hard for me to remember without tracing it all out.